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Will this obscure toy line qualify for inclusion on WP?[edit]

XPosted from User talk:Liz; originally posted May 2 with no response so far. WP:WikiProject Toys may be interested, but considering the low activity on their talk page, this thread's contributor decided to use the Teahouse just in case.

An article on Woodsey--a very obscure toy line produced by Fisher-Price at the turn of the 1980s--has sat idle in my sandbox for a decade and a half. At this writing, the only coverage thereof is the barest of a one-line mention in the "Historic brands and products" section of its company's article.

Coming back to it this season as I clean out the sandbox one topic at a time (while transitioning to a brand-new AFC queue), I've found three--make that six--usable citations so far from the fishwrap morgue (via WP:Library) that may be enough for a standalone page. An ambitious task given that most of the WP Library hits are advertisements; if you or I can find more coverage, then we'll remind you!

Like I said...very obscure.


It might as well be an understatement that this quoted excerpt from one of those tie-in books--Uncle Filbert Saves the Day, the one I've always remembered from my primary-school youth in the Commonwealth of Dominica--aptly serves as a metaphor for my efforts those past several days, and (on a wider scale) for those committed to upholding WP's RS/notability expectations no matter the subject, vintage, demographic, or obscurity. (H/T Etsy product pics.)

"When will he [Filbert] settle down?" said Mama [Milkweed], shaking her head.

"Sometimes you have to run up many trees to find the right branch," said Papa, who often said things that took a while to understand.

But cute and daredeviling as he is, don't expect a separate Uncle Filbert article anytime soon, though...

Once this appeal gets the go-ahead, I'll put this straight in the mainspace--something I hardly ever do nowadays thanks to AFC.

Speaking of old-school cottagecore, I have a Bethany Roberts draft to revive soon enough--blame recent Miraheze duties for the oversight.

All the best...

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slgrandson, I have twice skimread the above and still don't understand what it is that you want to say. If you have a question about (or request for) editing, then please express it much more succinctly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary: As implied in the title/contents, I'd like to know if the references I've collected are enough/satisfactory for a standalone WP article on the subject before I go ahead and write it. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slgrandson, I haven't looked at any of the sources you list, but the second and third of those you list for toys and the first of those you list for books sound as if they might, or might not, add up to material for an article. (The others sound minor indeed.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary: If you've got access to WP:Library, you can actually view them; that way, it might influence your decision further. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 01:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slgrandson, Pywen, "Toy guide for parents": "temporarily unavailable", so I can't comment on it. "This year's gift is tough"; Sanders, "Woodsey series": both are usable, but to my mind they don't come close to evidencing notability. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Toy guide" is now showing up where I am, @Hoary. For WP:THREE's sake: Care to check that link again to make sure you're not missing it this time? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slgrandson, WP:THREE suggests that somebody proposing that a subject merits an article should "find the three [sources] that best meet WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV [etc]." The two I've already looked at don't satisfy WP:SIGCOV. -- Hoary (talk) 04:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary: I've now clipped that article for you convenience (just so this thread doesn't get archived before things are settled). Perhaps @Asilvering and/or @BuySomeApples might be interested/take a look (now that I remember their names from AFC)? Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slgrandson, I've read it, and I have to say that I'm underwhelmed. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if you were, @Hoary--and sorry if we can't (afford to) make it a separate article at this point in time. (I really wanted to--but perhaps SIGCOV shortcomings are to blame?)
So, from here, which course of action do we take: Setting up a brand-new subsection about Woodsey at Fisher-Price § Historic brands and products, or spinning off the latter into its own page (to accommodate the Woodsey info better)? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Slgrandson, I don't think that source gives you much to go on. I think you're better off adding it to the "products" section of the parent article, as you suggest later in this thread. I'm sure we're missing a lot of sources that are out there somewhere, but alas. -- asilvering (talk) 19:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Asilvering: Already did. (Coverage campaign is finally declared over; thanks for all the feedback!) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Perhaps we'll tow in Cunard (talk · contribs) to see whether we'll make it after all. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 11:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it doesn't merit its own article (and I haven't checked the new sources you found), why not just expand the existing Fisher-Price section where you say it is already mentioned? Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for the "Toy guide" bit still up for grabs, calling on @Bearcat and @7&6=thirteen (the latter via WP:WikiProject Toys/Participants) for a third opinion, because I don't know whom else to reach out to (off the top of my head). Know any other toy experts or those in related fields? (Again, WP:Library access required.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I used AI at via Microsoft Copilot to ask:

You: tell me about woodsey and Fisher Price

Fisher-Price introduced the Woodsey series in 1979 as a series of playsets designed to combine the appeal of small, soft animals with the adventures possible in a playset1. The Woodsey line featured characters like the Woodsey squirrel family and included various playsets, such as a log house and an airport set. These toys were known for their charming design and interactive elements, allowing children to engage in imaginative play.
The series lasted until 1981, and over the years, it has become a nostalgic item for collectors. You can find vintage Woodsey playsets and accessories available for sale on various online marketplaces.
Fisher-Price, the company behind the Woodsey series, has been a well-known name in the toy industry for decades. They are recognized for creating a wide range of children’s toys that encourage learning through play. Their products often feature educational elements, are durable, and are designed with the safety of children in mind. Fisher-Price continues to produce new and innovative toys, keeping up with the latest trends and technological advancements in the toy industry.
It also gave citations for the claims. I don't have an opinion as to whether this merits its own article. Your citations help. But leaning toward "yes." 7&6=thirteen () 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked Bing to provide me citations to support its answers to me, and each and every time, the citation either doesn't verify the answer, or the citation is completely made-up out of thin air and nonexistent. I wouldn't trust Bing or any AI for any claims it makes without checking the citations carefully.\
@Slgrandson: I lean toward starting a subsection about Woodsey in the Fisher-Price article, and if it grows to the point where the article is giving it undue weight, then split it off. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anachronist: I'll give it a try, day or two, and let you know how well it goes. Take care, patrons! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 22:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. On the other hand, I now feel this belongs better in a reorganised "Products" section (after I clean up the target page). --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Slander[edit]

If there were to be a sort of Wikipedia Slander, what would it look like? For example ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 07:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snipertron12 Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is unclear, and we can't predict what anything would look like. I suggest you read WP:SLANDER. Shantavira|feed me 08:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really the vibe over here at Wikipedia. I'm not saying gossip or drama never happens but No Personal Attacks is one the community's key ideas. This is not social media and no-one is really that invested in what anyone else has got going on beyond building an encyclopedia. I think you'll probably find less intriguing drama going on here than pretty much any other corner of the Internet. If that's what you're looking for then there are other websites avaliable (or IRL knitting circles I guess). -- D'n'B-t -- 08:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 11:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think Snipertron12 is referring to this genre of internet memes, not the literal meaning of slander itself. Since Teahouse is more for beginner questions for using Wikipedia, consider discussing this in other off-wiki venues. Ca talk to me! 03:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Shantavira and @DandelionAndBurdock. 48JCL TALK 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yeah I got that -- D'n'B-t -- 20:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability another opinion - Tarsomys orientalis[edit]

Hi. I would like to ask for another opinion if this Draft:Tarsomys orientalis already passed the notability criteria, as I'm having doubts. I have submitted it previously, then it was moved to draft, then I improved the article, submitted, then it was moved to draft again. The latest reason in this thread: User_talk:Jp2593#Tarsomys_orientalis_moved_to_draftspace_2 Jp2593 (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only requirement for species is that

Their names and at least a brief description must have been published in a reliable academic publication to be recognized as correct or valid.

As far as I can tell, none of the academic journals you cite mention a species named Tarsomys orientalis. That's probably the issue. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa There is one in the "Advance articles" portion of the OUP Academic journal (see in this link: which also links to the source publication. Jp2593 (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a name appearing in a preview in an "advance articles portion" of a journal's website counts as publication in a reliable academic publication. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa would a publication(but closed access) be reliable in this instance? Jp2593 (talk) 09:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jp2593 The draft in its current state is already acceptable. The notability standard for species is simply proof of existence and a proper scientific name. Both of which are established by the first published description in a recognized academic journal. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jp2593 You've cited quite a bit of sources. With your 800 edits you should have access to wp:lib, specifically the oxford academic and this source, which is I believe what you are looking for:
  • Rickart, Eric A; Rowsey, Dakota M; Ibañez, Jayson C; Quidlat, Roselyn S; Balete, Danilo S; Heaney, Lawrence R (25 May 2024). "A new species of the endemic Tarsomys clade (Muridae, Rodentia) from eastern Mindanao Island, Philippines". Journal of Mammalogy. doi:10.1093/jmammal/gyae051. ISSN 0022-2372.
JackTheSecond (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think your main problem is that you're citing a Facebook post for a lot of the content, which is self-published. If you can instead cite that stuff to the study, which the agency's Facebook post draws on, you're probably OK. That's what I'd do. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saving without publishing[edit]

Hello there. I am very new and trying to save my edits as I go along without publishing. It is an article I am working on which has not yet been approved. Thanks.

Editing Draft:David Black (writer) - Wikipedia

JoClarke100 (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Wikipedia, saving is the same as publishing, since "published" means your edits are visible to the public. Make sure you save (ie publish) at regular intervals or your work will be lost. The alternative is to save your work offline. Shantavira|feed me 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much. And how do I save offline? JoClarke100 (talk) 14:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no mechanism to do that on Wikipedia directly; that would just involve opening a text editor on your device and putting the text of the article there. Writ Keeper  14:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Publishing" a draft (or your personal sandbox) is as close as we get to saving without publishing, if you consider "publishing" to be something pertaining to article space rather than draft or sandbox space.
If you want to save offline, then you need to use the source editor. Copy and paste all the wiki markup code into a text editor offline. Personally I don't see the point of this, when we have perfectly good mechanisms for working on drafts. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JoClarke100, while it is true that saving and publishing are the same in theory, there is a big difference between saving an article and a Draft. If you save an article, it is indexed by Google (almost immediately), and if you save a Draft, it is not indexed by Google at all. So even though in theory "your edits are visible to the public" if they know the exact url linking to your Draft, in practice the Draft is not findable by the public, unless they know your Draft title and they come to Wikipedia to search for it specifically in Draft space, something only Wikipedia editors really know how to do. So, you could say that your Draft is "published" but difficult to find, so not really visible to most, and not searchable via search engines. Mathglot (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Mathglot. If my article submission has not been accepted yet, does that mean I'm saving a draft? If not, can you tell me how to save a draft? JoClarke100 (talk) 10:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoClarke100: Yes, as long as the page has the prefix Draft appended, it is a draft until it gets moved out of that namespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

српски appears as a missing language[edit]

српски appears as a missing language, despite it obviously not being one. It seems that Wikipedia thinks it's a different language from "Српски / srpski". When it isn't. Has anybody known about this thing before?

Image of the problem: Kxeon (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Kxeon. I don't recognise the message you've screenshotted. What did you do to produce it? ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the thing. I didn't do anything to produce it. All I did was go to the missing languages part of the Languages menu, shown in this image:
I don't even know how I confused Wikipedia like this. Kxeon (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kxeon: The screenshot indicates that there is a Wikipedia edition in the languge "Српски" (the Serbian Wikipedia at sr:), but the viewed page does not currently have a version in that language. Does that answer your concern? If not then please link the Wikipedia page where you saw the message. Do you mean it was this Teahouse page? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No matter what page I go to, it's always missing because the Wikipedia for it doesn't exist. It's nonexistent.
Some pages I can link here that have it missing (it seems every single page I go to has it missing): Ambazonia, Yugoslavia, Serbia, Montenegro, YouTube, Yandex, Europe
If you can't see it, it may actually be much harder to find the solution to this, which it seems like that is the case.
Also, I was looking at Yugoslavia in the first picture. It did have a Serbian version. Once more, I must have somehow confused Wikipedia for something like this to be happening. Kxeon (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kxeon: The software doesn't expect me to know any Balkan languages. "српски" in the screenshot should be a link. Please post the url it points to for Yugoslavia. In case it redirects after clicking, your browser can probably right-click the link before clicking it and select to copy the link. What is your language setting at Special:Preferences? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the link it sends me to. The Serbian Wikipedia. There's not a separate Wikipedia for Cyrillic and Latin Serbian, only one for both scripts... and yet Wikipedia still says that it's missing? Kxeon (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kxeon: I did a bug search. It sounds similar to old bugs at phab:T116401, phab:T142971 and phab:T176626. They are marked as resolved but bugs sometimes reappear. I expect to report it at Phabricator tomorrow. If "Missing in .." messages are annoying then you can remove all of them (including valid ones) with this in your CSS:
.cx-uls-relevant-languages-banner {display:none !important;}
PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alrighty then, thx! Kxeon (talk) 00:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kxeon: I have reported it at phab:T367252. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

help me change my sandbox name! and get article up for review.[edit]

I added my link in the message also. Its a Danish link so i hope it works.

I want to change the title of my sandbox to Orning

The article also needs a review so anyone willing to help me through that process would be nice, preferably in danish since i discovered there's a big difference between danish wikipedia and english...

hope to get help soon!

sandbox link:

-Regards Thomas L. Jørgensen Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Maybe you'd get better help at the Danish Wikipedia version of the Teahouse (I'm assuming this is the Danish WP Teahouse, with the help of Google Translate). GoldRomean (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen: I'm actually Danish but don't work on the Danish Wikipedia. Wikipedia languages have different policies and processes. It appears the Danish Wikipedia ( has nothing like our Wikipedia:Articles for creation. They rejected a draft namepace at da:Wikipedia:Landsbybrønden/Forslag om oprettelse af et kladde-navnerum. The Danish Wikipedia allows a new user to create an article directly in the encyclopedia at da:Orning. You can move your sandbox there. See da:Hjælp:Flytning. I don't know whether they have a process for requesting a review. I see you created Draft:Orning here at the English Wikipedia, but in Danish. We only use English pages here and the page will not help you at the Danish Wikipedia. Is it OK if I delete it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey PrimeHunter! thanks for the help! wish me luck. and yes its ok to delete :-) - Regards Thomas Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thomas Ludvig Jørgensen: Held og lykke! I have deleted Draft:Orning. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about user warnings[edit]

so I revert a large amount of vandalism, and I'm realizing an issue. I've just now realized that I probably should be adding the {{subst:SharedIPadvice}\} template in, but whenever I do it always looks like this

Information icon Hello, I'm Gaismagorm. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks.

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

Gaismagorm (talk) 00:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

while that looks fine and all, notice the signature at the bottom. I'm noticing that it just automatically signs all my responses, and I can't figure out how to turn that off. I believe that's the issue, but if someone has another idea, I'd be glad to hear it. Gaismagorm (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gaismagorm: You say I believe that's the issue but what is the issue you are referring to? As far as I can tell {{Shared_IP_advice}} does not automatically sign for you, but the examples on that page show adding a signature with 4 tildes. Can you clarify what you are asking? RudolfRed (talk) 03:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so basically, I can't add the shared IP template, without it automatically adding a signature below it. its not next to the text, but rather below it. Hope that clarifies Gaismagorm (talk) 10:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, the issue you're having is that any comment you leave on a talk page is automatically signed, if you haven't already. What you have to do is sign the message yourself in the way indicated on the template page. (with the 4~) JackTheSecond (talk) 21:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ah okay I see now Gaismagorm (talk) 21:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
but it is annoying how it will do it ifi start another line Gaismagorm (talk) 21:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
as in automatically sign, which even if use 4 tildas it still does if theres another line,Gaismagorm (talk) 21:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC) but i can just add template after, and it should do it Gaismagorm (talk)[reply]
I notice you already use Twinkle, but you might not be aware that it can help with warning users too. On a user talk page the Twinkle menu should have a "Warn" option, and if you warn a user that way it will add the shared IP advice template automatically if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh my gosh, thanks so much. that makes my life so much easier, thanks! Gaismagorm (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding my information[edit]

Hi there, I hope this message finds you well. My name is Edward, and I used to produce fine art printing in Manhattan NY starting in 1986 for modeling agencies, photographers, and the fashion and hair industry before the internet became popular. Recently, I was contacted by awards archives to add my information to Wikipedia for all the awards I have received throughout my career. They will also be hosting an event to celebrate this milestone, which I am very excited about. All my information was deleted that i posted and i am very confused. If you can help, please help me, otherwise I will leave it deleted and close the account i created.

Thank you for reaching out to me.

Best regards, Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Edward Boginsky. You wrote an overtly self promotional and unreferenced autobiography using non neutral language. It was correctly deleted because it was the exact opposite of a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article. You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of how this encyclopedia, the #7 website in the world, actually operates. Self-promotional editing is banned by policy on Wikipedia. If you want to keep editing Wikipedia, I recommend that you read Your first article and study it until you understand it. As for closing your account, that is not possible for legal reasons. You have already edited Wikipedia and all edits must be attributed to the account that made it. You are free to abandon your account if you so choose. Just stop using it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will!
Thank you Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those people aren't associated with Wikipedia, make sure not to give anyone any money. Temerarius (talk) 02:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that, but I have a quick question - what do I do? I know that may sound a bit silly, but I'm a bit lost on how to add my information. You might not know, I was well known by everyone and my career started in 1986. However, after 9/11, I left NYC and now all my old friends and clients have found me. They want everyone to know that I was the person who published all the look books and fine art books. It's been quite the journey!
Any tips on how I can add my information and get back in touch with everyone? I would really appreciate your help.
Thank you so much! Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do not add information about yourself. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Autobiography. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I warmly applaud Deepfriedokra for doing exactly what I'd have done if I'd seen User:Edward Boginsky/sandbox first: deleting it. It was blatant, shameless promotion. (Indeed, to such a degree that it looked less like promotion, more like a parody of promotion.) I hope that you didn't pay some hucksters to produce such junk: as Temerarius suggests, there are a lot of outfits that prey on the credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Mr. Edward--and thanks for your interest in contributing! If you have been notable enough as Wikipedia defines it, someone else--someday--will write about you at Edward Boginsky (draft). Writing an article about yourself is highly discouraged on WP, but you are free to introduce yourself on your userpage (in the context of your activities here). Anything beyond that might lead to violations of the COI (conflict of interest) policy; you must disclose your connections on the userpage. Let's hope I (or the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs)) fetch some usable, substantial sources per WP:Golden rule on your behalf. All the best in your career; we may keep you updated! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again, but I will close the account. Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Edward Boginsky: At the end of the day, we regret to state that a WP article about you is pretty much unlikely in the long term (unless circumstances/developments prove otherwise). Googling your name outside this Teahouse thread brings up several calling cards (DeviantART, SoundCloud, Flickr, Medium,, Amazon Podcasts, and the like) plus a few legal documents, but nothing more substantial. Even a survey across WP:Library's databases has turned out unfruitful. In short, hardly anything of note to base it on.
Should you decide to return one day, you might be interested in WP:WikiProject Visual Arts. Otherwise, you've still got those calling cards to make up for it. (Or better yet: How about you give a Miraheze wiki of your own a try?)
Apologies for the inconvenience, and sorry if things didn't work out in your favour--but that's how things are here. Take care--wishing you and your career well. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment!
Hi there,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your comment. Your feedback is truly appreciated, and I value your perspective.
Regarding your concern about my name, I want to assure you that I did not pay anyone to do anything. If you feel that my name is a shameless promotion of myself, I completely understand. I respect your opinion, and I will continue to stay unknown, even though my name is listed as a publisher in many books.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Your input is important to me.
Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are indead Edward Boginsky then you are allowed to have Edward Boginsky be your User name for your account. It was the draft content that was deemed promotional and hence deleted. If you truly believe that you qualify for Wikipedia-notable, i.e., that you and your career have been written about by people with no personal connection to you, to serve as references, then use WP:YFA as a guide. An important note: listing books you published can be part of the draft, but that does not establish notability. P.S. You can abandon your account, but not close/delete it. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit dispute, continued.[edit]

Hello, about a few days ago, I came across the article, Kylian Mbappe, because I am a big football fan, and I saw that 2 users, Acriist10, and EndzoneEnthusiast, kept disputing and reverting one another's previous edits. I mentioned that on this TH a few days ago, got advice to see this and did it accordingly (added templates to users talk page) but I came back to check and it happened again. I saw that there's a noticeboard for edit warring, but I don't really know how to do that and their latest dispute was around 2 days ago. I don't understand how disputes work (ive never been in one myself), but what should I do? RoyalSilver 07:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoyalSilver, it is now 10 11 June, Wikipedia time. There may or may not have been edit warring on 8 June (right now I can't be bothered to look). Has there been edit warring since then? -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC) idiotic typo fixed 09:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary, there hasn't been any edit warring since then RoyalSilver 19:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoyalSilver, then I don't see any reason to raise an issue on any noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks @Hoary! RoyalSilver 20:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fix Dead links bot/tool down[edit]

Is the fix Dead links under external tools bot down? I clicked on it and it just loads forever? I'm still trying to figure out wikipedia [1] Texantumbleweed245 (talk) 15:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Texantumbleweed245, running InternetArchive bot from the management interface can take a really long time to display any results. It invokes the script server-side, so you actually don't even need to leave the tab open. I've had it take upwards of five minutes before it committed an edit to the target article.
You may also wish to know that in most cases, running this script manually is not necessary: when new citations are added to Wikipedia, regular scheduled crawls by Internet Archive will queue the source urls for archival, which happens on the order of months. If you are citing a source that you expect not to serve a webpage anymore in a short period of time, you can always perform a single snapshot manually from Internet Archive's web interface.
I don't know enough about the backend to be able to characterise how the code interacts with bare urls – which you seem to be interested in helping to clean up – but it might not be the best tool for that job.
Editors regularly run citation generation scripts against bare urls, and the resulting citations are often incomplete or incorrect. Doing a second pass manually after the scripts get done with their edits is usually a more necessary cleanup task. Unfortunately there's no convenient maintenance category or template or tag that is generated by a bot expanding a bare url, so they're not as easy to find.
Hope some of this was helpful in some way. Folly Mox (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is an Author allowed to approve a page?[edit]

I found this and the history seems unusual. The Author is also the publishing that allowed? I thought there was a process for this. TennisCop (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Experienced editors are allowed to move their own drafts to articles. The editor in question has a history of hundreds and hundreds of edits. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To expand slightly: the process you're referring to is the Articles for Creation process, but it isn't mandatory; if a user has the "confirmed editor" right, which is automatically applied once they have 10 edits and 4 days' tenure, then they can bypass the AfC process and publish an article directly. A user accepting their own AfC submission potentially could be a problem, but this didn't go through AfC; it's effectively just a regular page creation that started in draft space, and that's totally okay. Writ Keeper  15:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the author had a conflict of interest, or if the author was an utter newbie, then it wouldn't be appropriate for the author to publish it. In this case however, the author is a 18-year veteran of Wikipedia with over 30,000 edits on a wide variety of subjects, so it's pretty certain that this editor knows how to write an article that complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So let me understand correctly; If I am an experienced editor with hundreds of edits, I can write drafts that go against the policies wiki has implemented regarding third-party references, etc, and publish it myself because of tenure? OK. Guess maybe I will get there one day from this coffee shop... TennisCop (talk) 17:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TennisCop, articles that violate policies should be addressed and dealt with. How they should be dealt with depends on the nature of the problem. Schazjmd (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TennisCop All new articles that don't go through AfC are looked at by the new pages patrol and may be dealt with harshly by them. Only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors won't be reviewed in that way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you meant WP:AUTOPATROLLED.) Schazjmd (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to delete an article[edit]

I want to deletw an article ,how do I do it . I really want to delete an article , pls help (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which article do you want to delete? and why? - Arjayay (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to read Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Shantavira|feed me 19:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant speedy-deletion criterion here is G7--"Author [of a page] requests deletion"--for which you can use the {{db-g7}} tag. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello , thanks for answering. I want to delete the 'Persecution of Hindus' article . Please delete it , or help me— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia pages can only be deleted by a Wikipedia administrator; moreover, an administrator will only delete a page when there's a really good reason (i.e. strong Wikipedia-policy-based reason) for doing so or there's been a community consensus established to delete the page. If you feel that there are problems with the article Persecution of Hindus, you may discuss them at Talk:Persecution of Hindus if you like; however, please take a look at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for reference before you do. It's unlikely, though, that the article is going to be deleted without some serious dicussion about it first and an consensus being reached that the article is so far beyond fixing that it needs to be deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pls delete the article , I cannot discuss. There is no discrimanation against pajeets. This is a propaganda page . Pls delete it. Those who are answering , thanks and delete the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An article cannot be deleted without a proper reason to do so. If you "cannot discuss", the article will be kept. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 09:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That means youre just a pajeet. Delete the propaganda article . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4060:14:cd75::f7e:38a5 (talk) 09:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what a pajeet is. Articles, especially one with over 13000 words, aren't deleted because one person says it's "propaganda". If you think there are major issues with the article, please discuss on its talk page. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 09:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor, kindly refrain from using a derogatory racial term. If you want the article deleted, you need to read and understand Wikipedia's deletion policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


wat da isrra nestor diaz garcia (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

gabriel tellez (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, can you clarify your question? GoldRomean (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
k significa gabriel tellez para mi familiia mi vizabuela es tellez (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Do you have a specific question about editing Wikipedia? GoldRomean (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can read about Gabriel Tellez at Tirso de Molina. I don't know what your question is, though it appears to be in a sort of Spanish. ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hello! I've been dealing with a person edition Toypurina. They are removing fact based evidence and replacing the information with their opinion. Professor-Andrews (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: Toypurina: Revision history (couldn't get the template to work but hopefully this is the correct way to do it...?) GoldRomean (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Professor-Andrews. You appear to be in a content dispute with Jazzsinger80.
Irrespective of who is right or wrong, you must both not edit war, but should open a discussion at the talk page Talk:Toypurina, and try to come to a consensus. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

copy and paste[edit]

When editing a Wikipedia page, is it possible to copy from an external source and paste to the Wikipedia page during an edit session? Chettery (talk) 23:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you copied before editing or got a different tab open so you can switch tabs. Cwater1 (talk) 23:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there something available that describes all the tools available for editing a Wikipedia article, like is there something available to construct math expressions? What I was asking about was can you construct the topic on your computer in Word and copy and paste to the Wikipedia page for instance? Chettery (talk) 00:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some users work on content using Word or some other similar type of software before trying to add it to Wikipedia; however, the set up used by such software tends to be quite different for Wikipedia's and usually additional clean up is needed to bring things more inline with Wikipedia's "style" so to speak. So, as long as they're no copyright related or other potential serious problems in terms with relevatn Wikipedia policies and guidelines which makes copying and pasting anything to Wikipedia a non-starter, it would probably be best for you to copy and paste the content into your WP:USERSANDBOX first and work on cleaning up its formatting and other things there before trying to copy and paste it to an actual Wikipedia page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is technically possible to copy and paste text from an external source to a Wikipedia page. However, you should note you cannot put copyrighted text into Wikipedia, unless the external text itself is CC BY SA, CC BY or public domain. (There are other Wikipedia-accepted licenses out there, but stick to these two if you are unsure) Ca talk to me! 00:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wish to embellish some things that have been written with my own words which I would compose on my computer in word. Can I copy my words from my computer and paste them to the Wikipedia page? Chettery (talk) 00:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, you can copy and paste your own words. I am not sure if the formatting would be preserved as your copy though. Ca talk to me! 00:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)If by my own words you mean your own personal research, thoughts, interpretations, insights or whatever about something, then you most likely shouldn't try to add that to any Wikipedia page for the reasons given in Wikipedia:No original research. On ther other hand, if you mean your own summary of what's written in WP:RELIABLESOURCEs about a subject, then perhaps that would be OK to do as long as the content is written in a neutral point of view, encyclopedically relevant to Wikipedia readers, not (excessively) undue and properly supported by citations to reliable sources to allow it to be verified. Even then, though, others might not agree with its inclusion, a WP:CONSENUS will need to be established in favor of adding it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Hi Chettery. Regardless of whether it's techically possible to do so, such a thing is, for the most part, not allowed for the reasons given in Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources. There's a good chance that any content found in an external source will be under copyright protection or otherwise not released under the type of licensing that's needed for Wikipedia. Furthermore, the content is also most likely written in a non-encyclopedic and non-neutral tone that's not considered appropriate for Wikipedia. It's not clear why you want to copy and paste such content to Wikipedia, but I strongly recommend that you don't or at least ask for help at Wikipedia:Copyright problems before doing so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any tools for writing a mathematical equation on a Wikipedia page? Chettery (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I never used math equations before, but this tutorial page might help: Help:Displaying a formula Ca talk to me! 00:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has a full mathematical typesetting language in it. Ca pointed you to an intro to it. It is very powerful but has a steep learning curve for many features. Feel free to ask here, or at the help desk, if you are trying to transcribe a complex formula from a source you could link. DMacks (talk) 02:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


@Lankide eztabaida.

Jakin behar dut nola edita dezakedan zerbait software honek robot bat Attribution 4.0 [International YouTube] Franvj (talk) 02:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Machine translation gets me the following (it doesn't look quite right so if someone is able to more accurately translate this, please do replace mine):
@Colleague discussion.
I need to know how I can edit something with this software a robot Attribution 4.0 [International YouTube]
Tollens (talk) 03:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Franvj! I think you are not able to complete the CAPTCHA because of vision issues. If you tell me what edit you were trying to make, I can probably make it for you. What page were you trying to edit, and what do you want to change?
Itzulpen automatikoa: Kaixo Franvj! Uste dut ezin zarela CAPTCHA osatu ikusmen arazoengatik. Esaten badidazu zein aldaketa egiten saiatzen ari zaren, ziurrenik egingo dizut. Zein orrialde editatzen saiatzen ari zinen eta zer aldatu nahi duzu? Tollens (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading new image[edit]

Hello! I'm wondering if someone can give me some hands-on help with uploading a new non-free image. I'm hoping to replace the leading (non-free) image on this page with a new one. I've consulted how-to WP pages about images but I'm still a bit bewildered. I was hoping someone could walk me through the process so I don't mess it up and get my image removed due to copyright issues. Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 03:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wafflewombat see Wikipedia:File upload wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 03:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The trick in this case would be to figure out where the image actually came from originally. Based on the image link you have provided at Talk:Rey (Star Wars), this may be difficult to do – the creator of the desktop background is certainly not the owner of the copyright in this case. If you can find the original source it should be no problem. Otherwise, you might want to see if you can find an image published specifically as promotional material or that is a screenshot from the film, both of which are fairly easy to label properly licensing wise. Tollens (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Wafflewombat. Uploading the image is only one of the issues involved with something like this. Uploading a file is a farily straightforward process, but uploading a file doesn't automatically mean that it'll end up being used. Since non-free files can only be used in the article namespace per Wikipedia's non-free content use criterion #9 and almost any image you'll be able to find or create of the character Rey is going to need to be treated as non-free content, I strongly suggest that you don't upload any file until you've established a clear consensus to replace the current image being used in the article's main infobox. Wikipedia encourages use to be WP:BOLD whenever possible, but also advises us to be WP:CAUTIOUS whenever necessary. I think this is one of those cases where you probably should be cautious.
FWIW, the infobox image for a fictional character article can be a contentious subject with different users have different ideas as to what image should be used. So, there's a good chance that you boldly replacing the current image with a different one might be reverted (perhaps rather quickly) by someone who disagrees. If that happens, then the image you uploaded will become orphaned non-free use and eligible for speedy deletion per speedy deletion criterion F5. Even if the image you prefer isn't immediately reverted, the image it replaces will itself become orphaned and eligible for speedy deletion per F5. So, either way one of the two images is going to end up deleted, which is probably why it'ss better to establish a consensus as to whether which one that should be before replacing anything.
Finally, you might think it's OK to upload the other images just for comparison purposes, but this would still be a violation of criterion #9 since non-free content isn't allowed to be displayed on talk pages (see WP:TPG#Non-free images for details). So, even for comparision purposes, you should wait until a consensus has been established to replace the current images before uploading any new ones. If you want to link to a different image on an external website so that others can see what it looks like, you can do that as long as WP:COPYLINK isn't a problem. So, you should look for official Star Wars or perhaps official news websites where it's almost certain that the image has been posted with copyright holder consent. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I see you did post something at Talk:Rey (Star Wars)#New leading image and nobody has responded so far. You might want to try posting a {{Please see}} template at WT:STARWARS to see if any members of that WikiProject respond. If nobody still responds after about another week, then it's probably OK to be BOLD; however, if the change is reverted, you're back at square one and need to then establish a consenus in favor of changing the image through talk page discussion.-- Marchjuly (talk) 04:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have done as you suggested and reached out to the Star Wars Wikiproject. I'll give it a week before doing anything else. Wafflewombat (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I submitted a BLP Article for review and it got rejected.[edit]

I am not sure if I understand the reason for rejection. The subject is noteworthy with multiple new coverages in reliable independent sources. Can somebody help me with identifying and rectifying, please? Sumansindhu (talk) 06:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Gaurav Burman Tollens (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sumansindhu, your draft has not been rejected (meaning that the subject is definitely not notable enough for a Wikipedia article). It has now been declined (because it does not currently demonstrate that he's notable), twice. If you make a habit of resubmitting it without making substantial improvements, it will reduce your chance of ever having it accepted.
You could easily make your draft look more like a Wikipedia article, as follows:
  • Refer to the subject by his family name throughout.
  • Use sentence case for section headers.
  • Put references after punctuation, not before.
  • Remove all direct external links.
But the important issue is that, in the opinion of the two declining editors, you have not demostrated that he's notable. In your opinion, which three of the sources currently cited do most to show that he's notable? Maproom (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Maproom @Tollens
I have added about 11 news articles from strong and reliable platforms. Your pointers sound useful and I will make sure to implement them when I edit next. Sumansindhu (talk) 07:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can you tell if someone is "paid," or if they have a simple COI?[edit]

The page I have in mind is Pierre De Muelenaere, a Belgian businessman. He founded a company called IRIS, and a major contributor (and creator) of the article is bluntly named IRISGROUP. On top of that, an IP editor from Belgium has added some information a while ago updating the page on his career since some years prior. Could be someone connected, but I'm not sure.

I wouldn't think this is a case of them hiring professional Wikipedia editors, but instead someone at the company (or even himself) writing the page about him.

What I'm getting at is how can you tell the difference between someone having a conflict of interest or if they are being paid? In this case it is not disclosed on the talk/user page or anything like that.

For the time being though, I added the Undisclosed paid template on the top for now.

Thanks! EatingCarBatteries (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When a user account is the same as the name of the company they are editing in relation to, it is usually essentially guaranteed that the account is controlled by the company or an employee of theirs. Employees are considered paid editors when their contribution could reasonably be said to be part of their job (which is likely, given the account name), so it's a safe assumption that the IRISGROUP account would be considered to be operated by a paid editor. Generally it's similarly clear when someone is a paid editor, they usually tell you themselves in some way or another. Occasionally people will try to hide it but it's still generally obvious (why would someone edit only about one company and in a highly promotional tone, if they are not being paid?).
It doesn't really matter too much in really ambiguous cases because the only difference is that paid editors must provide specific disclosures on their user pages. The COI guideline is where all the actual restrictions are. For example, if the operator of the IRISGROUP account said they were De Muelenaere, they wouldn't be a paid editor but the result would realistically be the same or very similar. No point really in trying to figure out now, because the account is inactive so even if there was a paid-contribution disclosure nothing would change at all. Tollens (talk) 07:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bandhan Mutual Fund Deleted Article[edit]

Hi, I would like to understand more in detail about the article which was deleted under 2nd nomination - Bandhan Mutual Fund (2nd Nomination). I believe all the sources were reliable from listed newspapers & it is notable as per the notability. Check it again & it is correct then article can be made live. If not then I would like to understand more about notability. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 07:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VKG1985, you created the article. You were welcome to participate in Bandhan Mutual Fund (2nd Nomination), asking for clarifications and so forth, but you chose not to do so. This prompted a comment from the AfD nominator: "it's very surprising that the creator who asked for the refund hasn't made any updates to this refunded page and hasn't participated in this discussion or previous ones". It seems that now you want something/everything to be explained. Why now and not then? -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hoary, Yes I have created the article. I was constantly monitoring AfD nominations 15 days from the day 1 when it was nominated. There were no participants & just adding my comment/vote will not make much difference, hence I was observing. In terms of adding content, I didn't found anything new therefore it was not updated. The article was submitted through AfC and it was more then 3 months so I have asked on Live Support & they suggested that article is ready and you can submit it. I have also added notes on article talk page regarding the same. I have only missed last 3-4 days & it was taken down. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 10:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi VKG1985, welcome to the teahouse. Reading the discussion, I think the reasons for deletion centers both on the reliability of the sources used (with many of them being press releases) and the lack of in depth coverage. Notability is generally understood to be multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources providing in depth coverage to the subject. Although additional notes for certain subjects may apply, organizations follow WP:NCORP which has a few additional notes on press releases.
It would be better for you to participate in the AFD and give your three best sources next time so they could hear your perspective. Recreating it would be difficult, you would have to come up with new sources so that it doesn't get speedy deleted. I'd suggest sending it through articles for creation Justiyaya 08:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Justiyaya, Entire journey has been written above, please check that for reference. Can you please address where exactly the WP:NCORP is a problem. Everytime due to this all the articles are getting deleted. I would like to fix the problem in future as well. I would like to refund the article. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 10:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How To Approver my page[edit]

Please help me the proces Sudhirdutta1971 (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Sudhirdutta1971, the draft I'm assuming you're referring to was deleted for advertising or promotion. Writing an autobiography here is strongly discouraged and it would probably not be a good use of your time. Justiyaya 08:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
let me know the process Sudhirdutta1971 (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's strongly discouraged and would probably not be a good use of your time, or anyone else's. -- Hoary (talk) 08:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sudhirdutta1971, the process is "do not attempt to write a poorly referenced and overtly promotional autobiography, because you will just be wasting your time, and the time of uninvolved volunteer editors". The actual process is explained in great detail at Your first article and its various links. Cullen328 (talk) 08:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I know this is quite a weird question, but will 2024 Hualien earthquake page be a good article? It has a B-rating. Also, the grammar, format, and spelling appear to be good. Bakhos2010 (talk) 09:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In order to be a good article, it must be nominated following the process laid out at WP:GAI. Any significant contributor to the article who believes that it fulfils the Good Article criteria can nominate it. (You do not appear to be a significant contributor, and so should not nominate the article without discussing it on the article talkpage first). I haven't read the article all the way through, but at a minimum the lead is currently way too short and does not sufficiently summarise the content given the length of the article, so I do not think it would pass as-is. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note that nominations without significantly contributing to the article are known as drive-by nominations and are frowned upon NW1223<Howl at meMy hunts> 09:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bakhos2010 yes but you are not allowed to nominate it as you are not a significant author. 48JCL TALK 22:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


while whistledown is to be discovered (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Qcne (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello All! Need your help with understanding the issues with my new draft.[edit]

Hi All,

I have worked on a new draft article Draft: Orrb , it got rejected so I made the changes as per the comments by the fellow Wikipedian so I would request any one of you to go through the same and let me know if it is fine now or not?

Is it fine now to submit for review?

Please share your valuable feedback since its my first article. I will appreciate your help. I loggedin the Libera.Chat Live chat, asked my question but no one replied.

Thanks in advance! Techy.Sap (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't rejected; it was declined. Let's look at a sentence: It allows users to sit inside to relax, get recharged, and work on self-development with a 5, 10, 20, or 30-minute wellness session for mental well-being and stress reduction to engender a focused work culture. What, if anything, does it mean to "get recharged", to "work on self-development", "wellness", or "a focused work culture"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok sorry it was declined I meant. Techy.Sap (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"McCormack reported in 2005 that he received positive feedback about the device's effectiveness." Sure he did; he invented it. Wikipedia needs independent sources. Maproom (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Maproom, Sure I will recheck on it. Thanks for your help. Techy.Sap (talk) 08:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance, text size column on right[edit]

With my 1366 horizontal resolution, this column is taking up 25% of the screen, and comes up for every WP page I open even after I clicked the "Hide" button on another page earlier. On some pages I can't even see the intro text without scrolling down because an infobox is taking up all the space at the top. Is the only way to get rid of this column, the enshitification step of forcing me to allow cookies from the domain, or to create an account? This column is useless because browsers handle this vastly better, is automatically remembered per domain by them, and can be done with keyboard shortcuts. (talk)

Without enabling cookies, how do you expect the website to remember you've hidden the panel? It's probably possible to hide in user preferences if you create a free account, but without some means of remembering how you'd like the site displayed, it will continue to revert to the defaults.
That said, if you'd like to leave feedback with the people who decide the defaults, they do seem to monitor mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements. Folly Mox (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you know a way to add CSS to viewed pages in your browser (may require a browser extension) then try this CSS:
.vector-column-end {display:none !important;}
I don't know whether it may remove other things. Apart from numerous options at Special:Preferences, registered users can add any CSS in Special:MyPage/common.css, and any JavaScript in Special:MyPage/common.js. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Sandbox Images[edit]

I am trying to create a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes, and I am using my Sandbox to generate templates for them. I want to put images into them but don't want them to be on Wiki Commons (primarily due to copyrighted fonts). Is there any way I could put images in them without putting them on Commons?

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @MarinaTheRanger and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not here as a web host or for "personal world building purposes", and you may not upload copyright materials. Please see WP:NOT. Shantavira|feed me 13:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @MarinaTheRanger, even though we allow for some leniency in personal sandboxes, the things in them should still be Wikipedia centric, see WP:NOTWEBHOST. As for the actual question non-free images cannot be hosted or used except in specific conditions. None of those conditions allow for use in userspace, see Wikipedia:Non-free content. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 13:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MarinaTheRanger: Welcome to the Teahouse. As others have said, Wikipedia isn't appropriate as a venue for personal non-Wikipedia content. Have you considered using something like —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for mentioning an alternative- been looking for one for a while now and i'll check out Notion.
Thanks again, Marina
MarinaTheRanger (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better yet: Why not try Miraheze? They've long allowed wikis for worldbuilding purposes.
Commons also discourages "photohosting" per c:COM:PARTYPICS, so you're better off uploading to your own wiki after MH approves your request. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as your images are raster, you can use any font you like per c:Template:PD-font. But your files still have to be within scope (either used on a Wikimedia project such as English Wikipedia or "realistically useful for an educational purpose" (per c:COM:INUSE) if you decide to upload on Commons. If you upload locally on the English Wikipedia, they still have to follow WP:NOTWEBHOST, and it is at best questionable whether "a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes" follows this. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - uselesscontributions} 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Baranova[edit]

Hi there! I am new to Wikipedia contributions and recently edited a draft that was previously rejected. I get the message "An error occurred (ratelimited: You've exceeded your rate limit. Please wait some time and try again.). Please try again or refer to the help desk."

What does this mean please and when can I resubmit my edited draft?

Many thanks! Julia Ohela (talk) 15:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Julia Ohela. It can be hard to tell what triggers such messages but they will probably go away when your account is auto-confirmed, meaning at least four days and ten edits. You have six days and seven edits so just need three more edits to any page at This Teahouse also counts. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates?[edit]

How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates? Skinnyshark (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Skinnyshark. You'll have to be clearer with your question. Who is "we"? What do you mean by "moderate"? In what sense is it having "too many updates"?
The only article you have edited recently is Pawan Kalyan - is that the one you are referring to? There has been a flurry of activity on that article recently, but how is it "too many"?
It does suffer, however, from having a lot of unsourced, non-neutral text, and I have tagged it as such. ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC) q[reply]
Skinnyshark, on Wikipedia, there is literally no such thing as too many updates! unless you can provide solid evidence of disruptive editing. Do you have such evidence? Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate your response, "too many" means when multiple people update same source without any citations! Anyhow, I'm updated a picture on that page "Pawan Kalyan" and somebody else updated on top of mine with a very bad picture, now i can't update anymore as its saying "check update histy", no how do i update it good picture? Skinnyshark (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of quality, it's important to 1) discuss with the other editors (WP:CONSENSUS is how "many updates" leads to what many editors generally think is a reasonable result) and 2) not ever violate our WP:COPYVIO policy by uploading pictures found on other nonfree websites but instead 3) only use free sources and always give credit to those sources. DMacks (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit reverted by bot[edit]

Hi! I recently had an edit reverted automatically by an anti-vandalism bot, and I wanted to ask more experience editors for advice about future edits.

I made an edit to the page Aladdin (1992 Disney film) because a found a quote attributed to Robin Williams that didn't match the quote provided in either of the citations that mentioned it; I included an edit summary describing the conflict between the sources and text on the page. Almost immediately, I received a notification that the edit was reverted by a bot called CluebotNG. I'm absolutely fine with being reverted, and I know bots are vital to the functioning of Wikipedia.

I was more wondering what process step I accidentally skipped that made the edit seem like vandalism. I'm fascinated with Wikipedia policies and have read a lot of the policy pages and essays, so please be frank if it was something obvious that I missed. Thank you in advance! Druveon (talk) 18:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Druveon Looking at it, I don't see any obvious issues. ClueBot is an invaluable tool for counter-vandalism, I know I've been beaten to the punch by it plenty when doing recent change patrols, but on occasion it does get it wrong. Feel free to report the false-positive and make the edit again. CommissarDoggoTalk? 18:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CommissarDoggo Thank you for the quick response! I thought reporting the false positive and re-editing might be the correct recourse after reading the page about ClueBot, but I really appreciate the second opinion since the page mentions that false positives are relatively rare. I'm going to do that! Druveon (talk) 18:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, been a while since I contributed and was hoping anyone could offer some guidance?[edit]

I am trying to add one fairly straight-forward factual sentence to a long existing Wikipedia page. The sentence includes 5 hyperlinks to existing Wikipedia pages, and 4 external citations. I am ready to post, however at top of page I have the following message:

Script warning: One or more {{cite web}} templates have maintenance messages; messages may be hidden (help).

When I try to click on the links at top of page, it says my edits may not be saved if I click on those links. I have been unable to find any specific help on multiple Wikipedia and Google pages for this warning.

Can someone please let me know best way to see the actual "script warnings" they are stating? And / or how to edit / fix?

Thank you. CBrookUM (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, CBrookUM, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to know what's happening when you haven't given us much information. But in most browsers there is a way to pick on a link and open it in another tab (or another window) - sometimes by the middle mouse button (or wheel) if you have one, and more generally by right clicking, and picking "Open in new tab". That way you can look at the message without losing the work you are doing in the first tab or window.
In fact, you can pick on the links in the warning that you've included in your question above, to see what they are telling you - it appears that at least one of your citations uses a {{cite web}} template, but does not have any named parameters. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CBrookUM, which article are you trying to edit? You might see that type of message for a citation error for a cite that's already in the article, not just added in your edit. Schazjmd (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CBrookUM: "help" in the warning should be a link to Help:CS1 errors#Controlling error message display, but it may be a bit technical for an inexperienced user. If you mean that previewing your edit gives this warning and you don't want to save it in an article then you can save it in User:CBrookUM/sandbox. Then we can see the problem and probably fix it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding logos, images[edit]

I'm a beginner. How do I add a company logo to the summary box or images to the company's page? I have a COI so I have to request all the changes -- so do other people incorporate those changes or do I? Perkins Eastman Jserge630 (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking, Jserge630, and for your candour about your COI. You make the suggestions in Talk:Perkins Eastman. It's best that you do so via the link there to "request corrections or suggest content". (You didn't previously fail to notice this: I've only just now added it.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generic template to regular article[edit]

I think I broke a page I was working on. How can I title this correctly and submit this page to the mainspace? Template:Article templates/generic article. Thank you.

Wizelf (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wizelf, The page you edited is used to assist in the creation of new articles. If you wish to submit an article for review, please use Wikipedia:Article wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 00:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blps Template not Activating[edit]

Hi Mods :)!

I copied the Blps template onto my sandbox -- and the template won't show up when published :(. Am I missing a step or another function before the template shows up?

Here is my page: User:Eleniofillyria/sandbox - Wikipedia

I'm rather new here so pardon the snafus ;).

Thanx in advance for your help!

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi @Eleniofillyria and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm assuming you directly typed {{blps}} while using VisualEditor, which it interpreted literally as having been the text itself intsea of a templtae call. that being said, {{blps}} is the wrong template to use in this case, as it is intended for use in talk pages of BLP articles instead of drafts. you may be looking for {{AfC draft}}, which I've gone ahead and added to your draft page.
I'm not particularly skilled in VisualEditor myself as I primarily use the source editor (which is probably harder to learn if you don't already have a programming background), but to insert templates in VisualEditor you may press Insert > Template to paste a given template. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Melicie & Primehunter :)!
Thank you to you both for such a quick reply to my query :).
This is actually the specific kind of template I'd like to open on my sandbox page (the one with the picture on the right side of the page): Template:Biography - Wikipedia
In Visual Editor, I don't see the code or words I need to insert. How do you write it out so that this kind of layout shows up on my sandbox page?
In Source Editing, do I just type the blps code on the 1st line? I don't think the {{AfC draft}} is what I'm looking for since it's too general :(?
Again, thanx for your advice! I await your clarification.
Warmest regards,
P.S: I'm also not adept yet at Visual Editing Melicie ;). But I do have some vague familiarity with the earlier versions of HTML, so I can do a few troubleshoots now and then ;). Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why it's so difficult to write on that AFC template :(! Why is there a box there and it's so hard to replace the words in the box :(. Could I just have a template on Biography as I had indicated in my previous message?
Some of the words are confusing on the template. If I just have the biography template, I certainly will be "substituting" the words there for the text of the article I have already written on MS Word.
Please, please help :O!
I await your pleasant but speedy reply Melicie or PrimeHunter :)!
Warmest regards,
Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eleniofillyria: In VisualEditor you have to follow the procedure at Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates to add templates. Click the "Insert" menu, click "Template", write subst:Blps (without curly brackets) in the the box, click "Add", click "Insert". Template:Biography uses {{Infobox person}}. If that's the template you want then replace subst:Blps with Infobox person (most templates don't use subst:). {{Infobox person}} has a lot of parameters. You can fill out some of them between clicking "Add" and "Insert", or you can come back later to do it. There are many different infobox templates, also for different kind of people. What or who do you want to write about? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PrimeHunter :)!
Thank you for responding so quickly ;). I will attempt to open a biography template again today following your instructions. Pray that I am successful -- or I will bother you again for instructions -- har har ;)!
Regarding subject of article, I would like to write about this accomplished person in the space exploration and development industry who can be a great inspiration to the youth, particularly the less privileged young people in the third world. I believe I have enough resources and references to fulfill the requirements stipulated by Wikipedia -- but that is for the editors to determine ;).
Again, my profuse thanks PrimeHunter for your help! Chat again soon, of course, on less troublesome topics :).
Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eleniofillyria: I was writing a reply while melecie answered. I will still post it in case it's helpful too:
You used VisualEditor. Most of our documentation is written for the source editor where you can write {{subst:Blps}}. If you try to write that in VisualEditor then it automatically adds undisplayed code to deactivate the template call and merely display the code of the call instead. See Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates for how to add templates in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx PrimeHunter for the quick reply :)! Please do check my answer to Melicie above which I addressed to you both ;).
Have a smashing day and hear your advice soon :)! Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Van Wyk[edit]

Is there an article on the artist Helen Van Wyk who had a television show on PBS similar to Bob Ross and Bill Alexander called Welcome to my Studio? I'd like to write one and cannot find one on WP but sometimes I do not search correctly and find out later that one was already created. Thought I'd ask here just to make sure. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi @Maineartists and welcome to the Teahouse! there does not seem to be an article on Helen Van Wyk or Welcome to my Studio, at least as far as my duck-fu can take me, so you can potentially write one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artist Biography Template[edit]

Hi I'm struggling submitting an article titled: Maral Salmassi It's an artist bio and it seems there is an old rejected draft with the same name conflicting with my submissions. My last draft just disappeared when I pressed submit. Then I noticed there was this old article instead of mine. Can you please help? AZaMas (talk) 02:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Maral Salmassi Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 05:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Note: OP indefinitely blocked for promotion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 05:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing semi-protected pages[edit]

There is a semi-protected page I wish to edit, but my attack lacks sufficient... establishment. How can I meaningfully build up enough contributions without just making bogus edits?

10 edits isn't a lot but I'd feel bad just farming them on my userpage or something, but I also don't know how I'd track down things to meaningfully improve. Kisequé (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kisequé the Task Center has some beginner-friendly tasks you might be interested in. You can also use the {{edit semi-protected}} template on talk pages of semi-protected articles, and someone else will implement the edits on your behalf. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 03:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kisequé, just edit productively and do not try to game the system. Please explain why you are in such a rush to edit highly controversial articles? That often ends badly. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your attack? You can also consider using the article talkpage or ask for input at related Wikiprojects. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you meant "account"? David notMD (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does make sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance Needed for Varun Choudhary's Draft Rejection[edit]

Hi Wikipedia Teahouse,

I recently submitted a draft article for Varun Choudhary, the National President of the National Students' Union of India (NSUI), which is the student wing of the Indian National Congress. The draft was declined with the feedback that it does not meet the notability criteria under WP, and the references do not show significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources.

Here is the link to the draft:

Points of Coverage: - Varun Choudhary's significant role as the National President of NSUI, India’s largest student organization. - His involvement and leadership in major national student movements and political protests, including the NEET exam rigging controversy. - Multiple references from reputable news sources such as The New Indian Express, Economic Times, Money Control, and others. - An external link to the official Indian National Congress website confirming his position.


- The feedback mentioned that the references provided do not show significant coverage or that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability.

- I reviewed Wikipedia articles of previous NSUI Presidents such as Neeraj Kundan and Fairoz Khan to ensure consistency and compliance with Wikipedia standards.

Request: Could you please help me understand how I can improve the draft to meet Wikipedia's notability standards? Are there specific types of sources or additional information that would better establish Varun Choudhary’s notability? Any guidance on addressing the feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your assistance.

Best regards, Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Itsmickeymouse, you cannot assume that existing articles meet Wikipedia's standards. Very many do not. You say that there are "Multiple references from reputable news sources" but what's needed is coverage in some depth. Here (right here, in the "teahouse") please provide links to what you regard as the three best sources on VC: sources that are both informative and reliable. (They must be disinterested, meaning that they shouldn't be based on interviews with VC.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hoary,
Thank you for your feedback. I would like to provide three sources that offer in-depth, reliable, and independent coverage of Varun Choudhary:
- Economic Times -
This article discusses Varun Choudhary's involvement in the NEET exam rigging protests, demonstrating his active role in addressing significant national issues.
- Money Control -
This article details his appointment as the National President of NSUI, highlighting his leadership position within a major political organization.
- Deccan Herald -
This article covers Varun Choudhary's involvement in protests against proposed constitutional amendments, showcasing his influence and participation in national political discourse.
Additionally, to further establish his notability, here is a reference about his election as the youngest Secretary in the history of the Delhi University Students' Union (DUSU):
- Indian Express -
This article provides information about his election as Secretary in DUSU, highlighting his early leadership roles.
I hope these sources provide the necessary depth and reliability to establish Varun Choudhary's notability. If there are any additional guidelines or specific types of references that would strengthen this submission, I would appreciate your guidance.
/Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the links.
  1. Economic Times - The website demands that I disable my ad blocker. I can't be bothered. But please don't take my personal annoyance to be a black mark against the source: I'm simply passing on the task of reading this and commenting on it to some other editor here.
         This source quotes something that Choudhary said. Maproom (talk) 14:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Money Control - This one is very odd. As I view it, all it says about VC is "Congress appoints Alka Lamba chief of its women's wing, Varun Choudhary to head NSUI / Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge also appointed Varun Choudhary as the head of the party's students' wing National Students' Union of India (NSUI)." There's what looks like a button that will have me jump over the advertising and gossip junk and will let me "READ MORE"; but when I click on it, nothing happens (and I'm shown no more).
  3. Deccan Herald - This quotes VC, both indirectly and directly. That's all, really.
  4. Indian Express - Here's what this says: "Varun Khari and Varun Chaudhary of NSUI were elected vice-president and secretary,respectively. [...] Varun Choudhary polled 15,605 votes,defeating ABVP's Ritu Rana by 2,617 votes." That's all.
Conceivably there's significant coverage in the first or second of these four. There isn't in the third or fourth. -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first only quotes Choudhary, among many others. The second announces Choudhary's appointment, a single sentence; the rest is about Lamba only. Neither provides significant coverage. Schazjmd (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Minor edits on mobile[edit]

Hello Teahouse. I'm currently using Wikipedia on mobile, but I can't seem to make minor edits. The "button" isn't there when I click publish. I normally use VisualEditor on phone, but I'm pretty sure that using Wikicode and VisualEditor doesn't have the "button" to make minor edits. Is there a way to turn it on or is it normal on phones?

Best regards, StadionK (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi StadionK, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Minor edit says: "Users who are not logged in to Wikipedia or are in mobile mode are not permitted to mark changes as minor because of the potential for vandalism." However, I do currently have the minor edit checkbox when I'm logged in on mobile. Are you logged in? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter Yes, I am logged in when editing. StadionK (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@StadionK: On mobile I see the minor edit box and a watch box in VisualEditor but neither in source editor. That is odd. If you made a source edit then you can switch to VisualEditor on the pencil icon to the left of the blue ">" button before using that button. I don't know why this is apparently needed to mark an edit as minor. Maybe somebody thought a source edit is more likely to screw up code seriously while making an apparently minor change. Maybe it's an accident that the features aren't synchronized. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter I don’t have any buttons in the source editor AND the VisualEditor. (When I mean Wikicode, I mean source editor. It’s because I’m from another Wikipedia.) StadionK (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@StadionK: Are you referring to edits at the English Wikipedia? If I click the pencil icon at the top of, select "Visual editing", add a random space somewhere and click the blue ">" button then I get a page with a "This is a minor edit" box on the left and a blue Publish button on the right. What happens for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter Yes. I also don’t have the box in other Wikipedias. When I click the “>” button, it takes to a box, where I need to summarize the edit with no “This is a minor edit” box. StadionK (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fix tone issues on article[edit]

Hello! I re-submitted the Draft:Alissic and I just noticed that the editor who declined it last time commented that it has some tone issues. Is there a bot that can fix it or do I have to rewrite it where it is needed? Is there also a manual or something similar on how to prevent this kind of errors? Thanks in advance - feni (tellmehi) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FENFEN We have some advice at WP:TONE. There isn't a bot to fix this, as it takes human intelligence to spot this sort of issue. You may also like to read this about promotion which has similar advice about words to avoid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sentences like Alissic's method of creating is very unique. are examples of poor tone, since they don't conform to Wikipedia's core policy of neutrality and should not be stated as fact unless directly quoting from a source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even correct English. Unique means 'one of a kind', and you can't modify that; it's either unique or it's not. Shantavira|feed me 12:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, but like with "literally", there are several people who insist of using it wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright permissions[edit]

Can someone kindly point me to the policy on gaining permissions to use copy-written information from a web site on a wiki draft? TIA Geraldine Aino (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The instructions can be found at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Shantavira|feed me. Note that is not just a matter of getting permission; the materials must be donated and released from any copyright. 15:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football Articles contributer[edit]

Hello, I am looking for someone who could help contribute and help write quality articles on football clubs, leagues, players, etc. Would anyone be willing to help as I have had trouble establishing notability on my articles in the past.


MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might try visiting the Football WikiProject. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, could you explain where I could find help on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football.
All the Best,
MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MintyFresh201: Post your question on the project's talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, will do. Thanks MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A conflict of interest?[edit]


I am John Seitz, communications editor for the Jay and Susie Gogue Performing Arts Center in Auburn, Alabama. Our venue is relatively new (it opened in 2019), and I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence. My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself? I am brand new to Wikipedia, but have several years as a professional editor and one of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information about the Gogue Center for the public. Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own?

Thank you,

John John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@John Seitz 88 Welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for disclosing your COI. In fact, you will be considered a paid editor and should read and comply with those requirements. Once you have done that you can try to use the WP:AfC process to draft an article. Beware, however, that this is quite a difficult task for newcomers. Your main task will be to show your venue is notable in the quirky way Wikipedia defines that. Please read all these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example, you might think that this article is a good source to use but it is based on interviews and press releases, so does not fully meet the criteria of being a secondary, independent and reliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than create a full article, you could start by adding material to Auburn, Alabama#Arts, culture, and recreation. In view of your COI, you should do this by making edit requests on its Talk Page. There is no COI involved in adding good photos of the center you took with your own camera to Wikimedia Commons. The COI arises when incorporated into articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Mike. This is informative and helps point me in the right direction. As a newbie offering up his first vulnerable inquiry, I appreciate hearing your warm, welcoming response coming out of the cold, anonymous void of the internet. John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@John Seitz 88 I'd like to add a +1 to Mike Turnbull's suggestion: taking pictures of the center with your own camera and uploading them to the Wikimedia Commons is a great idea. Pecopteris (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)
@John Seitz 88: Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. To take your points in order:
  • I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence. That would be promotion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which does not have "pages", per se, but articles on notable subjects.
  • My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself? Yes, absolutely. Furthermore, as an employee, per Wikipedia's terms of use you are required to disclose this connection as noted above.
  • of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information... This is all well and good, but what we need most of all is verifiability. All articles need to be based on verifiable references to reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Without this, there is literally nothing upon which a proper encyclopedia article can be based--we care relatively little about what the subject of an article has to say about itself.
  • Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own? Most definitely the latter. It's not prohibited for you to create the page yourself, but it's not recommended. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, doubly so when there is a conflict of interest involved, since you effectively need to forget everything you know about the organization and base the article solely on third-party sources. If you do want to proceed, then the article should be created as a draft, which, when completed, can be evaluated by experienced editors via the Articles for Creation process. But in any case, it is recommended for any prospective Wikipedia editor that they poke around, edit on existing articles, and generally get a better grounding on Wikipedia's policies and procedures before they embark on creating entirely new content.
Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. Thanks, and happy editing! --Finngall talk 16:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the detailed response to my question. I greatly appreciate this. John Seitz 88 (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, John. I would add to what the others have said, that to "establish its social and cultural presence" is absolutely not part of the purposes of Wikipedia: indeed, writing with that purpose is precisely promotion, and forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to agree with that, and add another layer to it. Maybe you disagree with the following. If so, please let me know, so I can adjust how I think about this sort of thing.
Editors have all sorts of reasons for editing Wikipedia. For instance, on articles about modern politics, many editors want to promote information about politicians/candidates/issues that they care about, or denigrate politicians/candidates/issues that they find objectionable. That is self-evident, and it's not necessarily a problem. Per AGF, we do not interrogate editors about the reasons for their edits if they are good edits, and we are not in the business of accusing editors of thought crimes.
The only thing that matters is the content of the edits. If @John Seitz 88 is able to write a solid article that neutrally summarizes verifiable information published by reliable sources, more power to him, even if his inner purpose is to promote something that he cares about. Likewise, if the draft that John writes is not a good article, per the above criteria, it will be rejected, regardless of his internal thoughts and motivations.
Of course, that should all be understood within the context of WP:PAID, but that has already been brought to John's attention. Pecopteris (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Silves (1191)[edit]

Siege of Silves (1191) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is a redirect to Almohad campaign against Portugal (1190–1191). Today it was hijacked and an AI-generated article with useless Google Books references was put in its place.

I reverted and warned the user (about the hijacking and the LLM usage). Their response was to hijack the redirect again (this time accidentally leaving it in place at the top of the page).

As they're a new user, I don't want to jump to ANI, so this seems to be the place to come to ask for help on their behalf... and also to ask for their AI-generated article to be reverted again as I don't want to edit war. (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted (not by me), restored without comment, reverted again. (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP editor - this is a place for newcomers to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia, not a place to report disruptive editing. If they're not responding to warnings or attempts at discussion, ANI is the place to go; you could also request page protection at WP:RFPP. (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm reluctant to dump a brand new editor directly into ANI. And it's because they are a brand new editor that my first thought was that someone here, on the board for brand new editors, might be willing to help them before it reaches the whole bounce-them-out-the-door stage. But perhaps not then. (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's fair reasoning. I've striked out that comment so more experienced editors can help.
PS: I noticed your contribs :D thanks for your positive edits to WP! You should consider making an account so you can properly be thanked. GoldRomean (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about reporting newer users to ANI, as long as they've been appropriately warned and are still being disruptive. GoldRomean (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kasane Teto[edit]

Request for translation + article assistqance, thanks! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 17:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you use bare URLs? 48JCL TALK 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, Snipertron12, you want help translating bits of the article ja:重音テト into English in order to augment the article Kasane Teto. If so, better to say so (and good luck with that request); if not, better to say what you do want. -- Hoary (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ugly mobile interface[edit]

So I decided to go on my ipad and use wikipedia to see how it was like and EVEN THOUGH I was on the desktop version, the info boxes are STILL in mobile format. Really ugly. please help 48JCL TALK 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you using the Desktop mode of your browser or the 'Desktop' button at the bottom of the page? Only the latter will switch to the desktop rendering version for infoboxes and such. WelpThatWorked (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WelpThatWorked, what desktop button? 48JCL TALK 21:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I’m using both. Still ugly as ****. 48JCL TALK 22:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
image 48JCL TALK 22:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This looks identical to the Desktop styling, so I'm not really sure what you're expecting, and unless you have some on-wiki script or off-wiki extension that's only loaded on your desktop, I'm not sure what the cause of the discrepancy would be either. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yeah but like i swear the info boxes never looked like that 48JCL TALK 22:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you could specify what, specifically looks different I might be able to give more insight, but as is I have no clue what you are referring to. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WelpThatWorked, sorry I was referring to the fact that in the past the like basic format was in 2022 vector but the info boxes and other templates like article history and WPBS were in 2010 style. wondering how I can ge this back 48JCL • (📲/📝) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean you want to mix the old with the new, then you would need to find what the CSS rules were prior to the change, then copy them to your custom common.css or vector.css. The easiest way to do this is probably to load up the page with the legacy skin, find the rules you want in the inspect element panel, and copy them over. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
information Note: shrinking image to 512px. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 07:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


wikipedia look... Softer than before. was there an update or is something wrong with my laptop Cyan-Lime (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyan-Lime There has been an update to the appearance, yes. I'm not sure where exactly to find the changes, but the ones I noticed are the infoboxes changing and I think the sidebars moving closer to the side. CommissarDoggoTalk? 21:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to get the info boxes back? Hate the new look 48JCL TALK 22:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes. The problem has been reported to the bug tracker: phab:T367462. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I am not allowed to add photos (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You do not currently have permission to upload Files. You will receive this permission automatically after your account reaches at least 4 day of age and 10 edits. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User blocked as a would-be advertiser. -- Hoary (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References that are not online[edit]

i am working on writing an article and have references but they are not online or linkable. Can i just state the source ( authir, date, publication ) without a hyperlink? (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. This might be useful for you. Pecopteris (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In such cases, include the most complete possible bibliographic information about the source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite bundling question[edit]

I looked at {{Unbulleted list citebundle}}, but didn't see a way to use named references inside this template. Is there a similar template like this one that can handle named references in bundled fashion? Trying to avoid the hidden text clutter of citing them all over again when the named references already exist, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox probelem[edit]

There is a problem with the Wikipedia article for Iowa County, Iowa. and I don't know how to fix it. There is a map of the state of Iowa which should show the location o the county in red. However, it shows the entire state in red. It looks to me like the "infobox U.S. county" infobox is supposed to automatically display an image file from Commons that shows the location of the county. But apparently, no such image file exists. I looked at other county articles which did not have this problem, and I found out what the name of the file for Iowa County should be. But Wikipedia Commons will not allow me to upload a file with that name. So I don't know how to proceed. Any help would be much appreciated. PopePompus (talk) 22:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the file was generated programmatically, and so was confused by the county having the same identifier as the state. However, I do not currently have the permissions needed to fix it at the moment. If anyone else wants to, just replacing the first instance of id="Iowa" with id="Iowa_S" or similar ought to do it. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same issue occurs with Idaho County, Idaho, but not with Oklahoma County, Oklahoma; Utah County, Utah, or any of the other counties with the same name as their state. – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where would that "id=" be? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Can I publish my own articles, educational, news etc. on Wiki? (talk) 05:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 05:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any acceptable new article on Wikipedia must be about a notable topic, and must comply with the three core content policies of Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. Read Your first article for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No tables of contents[edit]

ikipedia is not loading any tables of contents in Vector 2022. Tables of contents ork properly in other (nonMF) ikis using Vector 2010 or timeless. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see the table of contents in the left-hand pane. It's no longer beneath the lead section like I was accustomed to seeing for many years. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no left hand pane. I only see a small hite space beteen the content and the edge of the broser indo. I am using firefox. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For me it's visible only when I click the bulletted hamburger menu next to the article title, which IMO isn't obvious at at all. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see the table of contents in the "hamburger" menu (or in the ... menu right of the login buttons). There is a "Contents" link, but it leads to a page in project space. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the eird typing, my W key (had to copy paste that) is broken. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]